{"id":1938,"date":"2013-03-16T00:00:00","date_gmt":"2013-03-15T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/35.224.237.165\/index.php\/2019\/02\/25\/point-counterpoint-stay-in-the-closet-son\/"},"modified":"2019-02-26T04:59:00","modified_gmt":"2019-02-25T21:59:00","slug":"point-counterpoint-stay-in-the-closet-son","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/chicagoshadydealer.com\/index.php\/2013\/03\/16\/point-counterpoint-stay-in-the-closet-son\/","title":{"rendered":"Point\/Counterpoint: Stay in the Closet, Son"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><img src=\"\" alt=\" \" \/><\/p>\n<h6>By <a href=\"\/search?author=Nik Varley\">Nik Varley<\/a><\/h6>\n<h6>Nov. 19, 2015<\/h6>\n<p><b><insert class=\"ins cts-1\" data-cid=\"2\" data-time=\"1447974994284\" data-userid=\"17\" data-username=\"Walker King\"><\/insert>Point: Mom and <insert class=\"ins cts-3\" data-cid=\"14\" data-time=\"1448328080339\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">D<\/insert><delete class=\"del cts-3\" data-cid=\"13\" data-time=\"1448328079787\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">d<\/delete>ad, I\u2019m <delete class=\"del cts-3\" data-cid=\"4\" data-time=\"1448328067911\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">c<\/delete><insert class=\"ins cts-3\" data-cid=\"7\" data-time=\"1448328067914\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">C<\/insert>oming <delete class=\"del cts-3\" data-cid=\"9\" data-time=\"1448328071589\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">o<\/delete><insert class=\"ins cts-3\" data-cid=\"10\" data-time=\"1448328071590\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">O<\/insert>ut of the <delete class=\"del cts-3\" data-cid=\"11\" data-time=\"1448328075300\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">c<\/delete><insert class=\"ins cts-3\" data-cid=\"12\" data-time=\"1448328076780\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">C<\/insert>loset<\/b><\/p>\n<p> <delete class=\"del cts-2\" data-cid=\"5\" data-time=\"1448037473479\" data-userid=\"13\" data-username=\"Matthew Goldenberg\"> <\/delete>By Son<\/p>\n<p>\tHey <delete class=\"del cts-3\" data-cid=\"19\" data-time=\"1448328412934\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">m<\/delete><insert class=\"ins cts-3\" data-cid=\"20\" data-time=\"1448328414958\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">M<\/insert>om and <delete class=\"del cts-3\" data-cid=\"21\" data-time=\"1448328417621\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">d<\/delete><insert class=\"ins cts-3\" data-cid=\"22\" data-time=\"1448328418981\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">D<\/insert>ad, I brought you guys here because I have an important announcement to make: I\u2019m coming out of the closet.  For the past few years, I\u2019ve been a feeling <delete class=\"del cts-3\" data-cid=\"25\" data-time=\"1448328832581\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">a little <\/delete><insert class=\"ins cts-3\" data-cid=\"27\" data-time=\"1448328834972\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">somewhat<\/insert> trapped, and I knew that these feelings weren\u2019t going to go away until we finally had this conversation.  I can\u2019t stay in the closet anymore; it\u2019s not fair to you guys<insert class=\"ins cts-3\" data-cid=\"45\" data-time=\"1448329039252\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">,<\/insert> and it\u2019s not fair to me.  There\u2019s no way that my identity can develop fully unless I can look other people the eye and tell <delete class=\"del cts-3\" data-cid=\"46\" data-time=\"1448329053524\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">that<\/delete><insert class=\"ins cts-3\" data-cid=\"47\" data-time=\"1448329053525\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">them,<\/insert> \u201cI am out of the closet and am okay with myself because of it<insert class=\"ins cts-3\" data-cid=\"53\" data-time=\"1448329087418\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">.<\/insert>\u201d<delete class=\"del cts-3\" data-cid=\"52\" data-time=\"1448329085242\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">.<\/delete><\/p>\n<p>\tI know that this won\u2019t be easy for you guys.  You may have to view <insert class=\"ins cts-3\" data-cid=\"65\" data-time=\"1448329124480\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">me <\/insert><delete class=\"del cts-3\" data-cid=\"63\" data-time=\"1448329123192\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\"> <\/delete><delete class=\"del cts-3\" data-cid=\"62\" data-time=\"1448329122760\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\"> <\/delete>in a new light, and think about me in ways that you never have before.  It may be hard, but I promise you that I\u2019m still the same son that you\u2019ve always known, and I don\u2019t love you<delete class=\"del cts-4\" data-cid=\"29\" data-time=\"1448330467643\" data-userid=\"23\" data-username=\"Jacob Levin\"> guys<\/delete> any less now that I\u2019m out of the closet.<\/p>\n<p><b>Counterpoint: We <insert class=\"ins cts-3\" data-cid=\"16\" data-time=\"1448328104066\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">T<\/insert><delete class=\"del cts-3\" data-cid=\"15\" data-time=\"1448328103306\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">t<\/delete>old <delete class=\"del cts-3\" data-cid=\"18\" data-time=\"1448328107506\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">y<\/delete><insert class=\"ins cts-3\" data-cid=\"17\" data-time=\"1448328106338\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">Y<\/insert>ou to <delete class=\"del cts-3\" data-cid=\"23\" data-time=\"1448328602925\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">s<\/delete><insert class=\"ins cts-3\" data-cid=\"24\" data-time=\"1448328604598\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">S<\/insert>tay in <insert class=\"ins cts-3\" data-cid=\"36\" data-time=\"1448328891834\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">T<\/insert><delete class=\"del cts-3\" data-cid=\"35\" data-time=\"1448328891282\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">t<\/delete>hat <insert class=\"ins cts-3\" data-cid=\"38\" data-time=\"1448328894986\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">C<\/insert><delete class=\"del cts-3\" data-cid=\"37\" data-time=\"1448328894610\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">c<\/delete>loset for a <insert class=\"ins cts-3\" data-cid=\"40\" data-time=\"1448328900834\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">R<\/insert><delete class=\"del cts-3\" data-cid=\"39\" data-time=\"1448328900418\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">r<\/delete>eason, <insert class=\"ins cts-3\" data-cid=\"42\" data-time=\"1448328905393\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">S<\/insert><delete class=\"del cts-3\" data-cid=\"41\" data-time=\"1448328903257\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">s<\/delete>on<delete class=\"del cts-4\" data-cid=\"26\" data-time=\"1448330405251\" data-userid=\"23\" data-username=\"Jacob Levin\">.<\/delete><\/b><\/p>\n<p> <delete class=\"del cts-2\" data-cid=\"6\" data-time=\"1448037477885\" data-userid=\"13\" data-username=\"Matthew Goldenberg\"> <\/delete>By Dad<\/p>\n<p>\tListen <insert class=\"ins cts-3\" data-cid=\"44\" data-time=\"1448328908889\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">S<\/insert><delete class=\"del cts-3\" data-cid=\"43\" data-time=\"1448328908465\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">s<\/delete>on, we knew that this day was going to come.  We knew that <delete class=\"del cts-4\" data-cid=\"34\" data-time=\"1448330484778\" data-userid=\"23\" data-username=\"Jacob Levin\">one day<\/delete> you were going to reach an age <insert class=\"ins cts-4\" data-cid=\"57\" data-time=\"1448330488658\" data-userid=\"23\" data-username=\"Jacob Levin\">one day <\/insert>where you <insert class=\"ins cts-4\" data-cid=\"82\" data-time=\"1448330516467\" data-userid=\"23\" data-username=\"Jacob Levin\">would start<\/insert><delete class=\"del cts-4\" data-cid=\"75\" data-time=\"1448330514691\" data-userid=\"23\" data-username=\"Jacob Levin\">started<\/delete> to question staying in the closet all the time, which <delete class=\"del cts-1\" data-cid=\"3\" data-time=\"1448310577135\" data-userid=\"17\" data-username=\"Walker King\">by the way<\/delete> is <insert class=\"ins cts-1\" data-cid=\"8\" data-time=\"1448310581613\" data-userid=\"17\" data-username=\"Walker King\">of course <\/insert>a real, honest-to-god<insert class=\"ins cts-3\" data-cid=\"68\" data-time=\"1448329182630\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">,<\/insert> physical closet and not a metaphor for homosexuality.<\/p>\n<p>\tWe told you to stay in that closet for a reason.  It\u2019s warm in there.  It\u2019s safe.  We don\u2019t have to worry about you when you\u2019re in the closet.   You are completely enclosed by solid, wood<insert class=\"ins cts-3\" data-cid=\"69\" data-time=\"1448329201989\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">en<\/insert>, actually corporeal walls that exist in the physical realm and are in no way a term for expressing homosexuality to your peers.<\/p>\n<p>\tYou have everything you need in there!  You have jackets to keep you warm<delete class=\"del cts-3\" data-cid=\"71\" data-time=\"1448329220260\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">,<\/delete> and that nice<insert class=\"ins cts-3\" data-cid=\"72\" data-time=\"1448329225636\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">,<\/insert> comforting closet smell.  I think there are a couple of old pairs of shoes in there too.  That closet is safe.  That closet has been just fine for you so far.  That closet, which, again, is in no way related to any feelings of love or attraction that you have towards other men, is the only place for you.  Don\u2019t come out of it.  Stay in there w<insert class=\"ins cts-3\" data-cid=\"73\" data-time=\"1448329249227\" data-userid=\"15\" data-username=\"Daniel Ruttenberg\">h<\/insert>ere you belong.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>By Nik Varley Nov. 19, 2015 Point: Mom and Ddad, I\u2019m cComing oOut of the cCloset By Son Hey mMom and dDad, I brought you guys here because I have an important announcement to make: I\u2019m coming out of the closet. For the past few years, I\u2019ve been a feeling a little somewhat trapped, and I knew that these feelings weren\u2019t going to go away until we finally had this conversation. I can\u2019t stay in the closet anymore; it\u2019s not fair to you guys, and it\u2019s not fair to me. There\u2019s no way that my identity can develop fully unless I can look other people the eye and tell thatthem, \u201cI am out of the closet and am okay with myself because of it.\u201d. I know that this won\u2019t be easy for you guys. You may have to view me in a new light, and think about me in ways that you never have before. It may be hard, but I promise you that I\u2019m still the same son that you\u2019ve always known, and I don\u2019t love you guys any less now that I\u2019m out of the closet. Counterpoint: We Ttold yYou to sStay in Tthat Ccloset for a Rreason, Sson. By Dad Listen Sson, we knew that this day was going to come. We knew that one day you were going to reach an age one day where you would startstarted to question staying in the closet all the time, which by the way is of course a real, honest-to-god, physical closet and not a metaphor for homosexuality. We told you to stay in that closet for a reason. It\u2019s warm in there. It\u2019s safe. We don\u2019t have to worry about you when you\u2019re in the closet. You are completely enclosed by solid, wooden, actually corporeal walls that exist in the physical realm and are in no way a term for expressing homosexuality to your peers. You have everything you need in there! You have jackets to keep you warm, and that nice, comforting closet smell. I think there are a couple of old pairs of shoes in there too. That closet is safe. That closet has been just fine for you so far. That closet, which, again, is in no way related to any feelings of love or attraction that you have towards other men, is the only place for you. Don\u2019t come out of it. Stay in there where you belong.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":[],"categories":[1],"tags":[],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/chicagoshadydealer.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1938"}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/chicagoshadydealer.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/chicagoshadydealer.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/chicagoshadydealer.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/chicagoshadydealer.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1938"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/chicagoshadydealer.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1938\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":2971,"href":"https:\/\/chicagoshadydealer.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1938\/revisions\/2971"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/chicagoshadydealer.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1938"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/chicagoshadydealer.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1938"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/chicagoshadydealer.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1938"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}